A friend and I were having a discussion the other night about his use of the word “hoochie mama.” I saw his need to label women by their sexual activity or lack thereof as discriminatory and offensive. He didn’t think there was anything wrong with it. Our conversation went something like this,
Him: Delilah was a hoochie mama.
Me: If Delilah was a hoochie mama, Sampson was a manwhore.
Him: I don’t appreciate you nitpicking the words I choose to use. I’ve starting saying “hoochie mama” because it’s nicer than the alternative. And this is the only way to teach my girls the consequences of dressing and acting in a certain way.
Me: Silence.
I’ve been biting my tongue a lot lately when it comes to issues like this because I get so dang tired of arguing with people, but this is what I wanted to say. “Sheesh, for the love of all that’s good and decent, find a way to teach your daughter that doesn’t require labeling her a virgin or a slut!”
Last weekend I read “Ripper, my love” by Glynis Smy. It was a fiction novel about Jack the Ripper and the woman he loved and cherished—a sweet, caring girl who had no idea the man she cared for was a serial killer. The story was told from several points of view, and I found myself reading chapters from the view point of Jack the Ripper himself.
I admit this was disturbing at first. Who wants to be in the head of a villain? But by the end of the story I was grateful to the author for doing it the way she had because it drove home the danger of viewing all women through the virgin/whore lens.
Jack had no problem murdering disreputable women. He believed that by ridding the world of low class, impoverished prostitutes that he was doing society a favor. These women were dirty and poor and vile. He measured their worth by the company they kept and by their promiscuous sexual behavior. Since he determined their value in this way, he felt justified in murdering them even as he frequented whore houses to satisfy his own sexual needs.
I’d love to say that because this book is fiction that it’s not to be taken seriously, but I can’t in good conscience do that. It is exactly this kind of thinking that contributes to rape culture and violence against women.
In Smy’s fabulous debut novel, we grow fond of Jack the Ripper’s love interest, Kitty. She’s a strong, independent, compassionate person, and Jack puts her on a pedestal, treating her with reverence and respect for most of the novel. Needless to say, she is the epitome of the “virgin” in the dreaded virgin/whore dichotomy, but even she has the pedestal yanked out from under her when she doesn’t behave according to Jack’s expectations.

24 comments:
Ugh, that dichotomy frustrates me so much, too! Especially when it's pushed onto young girls. I'll definitely need to read this book!
Being a writer-type, I have to believe that there is power in words. Anything with power should be wielded with care and thought.
Just my take. Good for you for communicating your feelings to your friend. A good friend will listen, even if they don't agree.
Angela,your post has made me stop and think. And to use my debut novel in such a way, plus your compliment, has humbled me. Thank you!
virgin/whore dichotomy
I got to say, I'm curious enough now to read this version from Glynis at some point, and I don't read this type of book often.
If I had to read Jack The Ripper, this would be it. I'm holding back for now, as I have an odd misc eighteenth century piece of work among my own files, and I don't want to excite those brain cells within me, as yet, or else I will not finish my present projects. But yes, I will give this a read when the time is right!
It did make me think however, of women in the business in todays era from that part of London, who are probably still haunted by this happening from the past, and how different they might think compared to the same women in the business, say, who operated from a much better area of London.
By the way Glynis, what an interesting and very unusual book to write.
Great post Angela!
What an amazing post! You said exactly how I have thought about this sort of thinking. Only I have never been able to put it into words the way you have.
That is a sad way to look at the world, especially as people are never black or white but shades of grey.
Here I thought you had read the book on Victorian literature about the angel and the serpent dichotomy. If you really want to see through the eyes of a deviant read Lolita by Nabokov.
It is my opinion that if girls are treated with respect and have a good example set for them they will be less likely to behave in ways that feed the myths.
This is why I have trouble with Bret Easton Ellis' work (books and film: American Psycho, The Rules of Attraction) because of the madonna/whore view of the women in his works. Some literary critiques say that a dismissal of his work is elementary, like anyone who disagrees is just the unwashed masses who don't get that he intended to create and explore vile characters who do awful things. OK, so... it's still demeaning toward women, whether it's your point to make it that way or not. I don't like seeing a "dark comedy" with the opening shot of a college student being raped.
Anyway - I always appreciate this topic being brought up and discussed. It's important not to lose sight of how we label women and how we teach younger women to see themselves.
Another great post, Angela. Like Alex said, there are colors between polar opposites. Hiding behind one or the other erodes at creative thinking skills.
Yay I'm in!! I always find it a personal triumph when blogger lets me in you blog! LOL!!
Oh I loved your "manwhore" come back!!
All the best to Glynis and her wonderful book! take care
x
Makes me think of this pin I pinned:
"If I have don't have sex with you I'm a prude bitch. If I use the pill, I'm a slut. If I get pregnant, I'm an idiot. If I get an abortion, I'm Satan. Yay!"
This is an interesting topic; I agree with you. Seems that there should be some middle ground, terminology wise at least. And where does forgiveness and whatnot lie, when someone who was of the one extreme aims not to be so anymore? We need to equip young (and older too) girls with the right tools and some of the hows and whys so they better understand consequences short and long term.
Thanks for the food for thought, and for the book review. Sounds like an intriguing read.
Have a great weekend!
Many thanks for your comments re-my book, Jacqueline, Old Kitty and Karen Lange.
Hoochie Mama! LOL To a Brit these expressions are fabulous :-) I must read Glynis's book, she's a great person...
I guess we do still use words that conveniently categorize each other to certain standards. It can be unfair and, many times, wrong. It's probably a way for society to protect itself, but too many times it becomes a means to abuse and shun.
Yeah, I don't think people should make up names for people or judge them based on one characteristic alone. Only a writer can do that... I'm excited to read the book especially with that POV.
What a powerful post, and I applaud you for openly discussing this topic on your blog. There is way too much hate language against women as it is, and this dichotomy only contributes to that. This sounds like a must-read book.
I expect a man's daughters sexuality would be a profoundly disturbing prospect. On first seeing her he truly falls in love for the first time.
Well, this is an interesting POV for a story about Jack the Ripper. I do find myself in a little conflict if I sympathise for a serial killer, that's just me though. You know the old - good v. evil no matter what. But, I have to say, this sounds like a good read! I'm intrigued.
And for your friend, I guess he's just protecting his daughters, I can see that. It's what parents do, in their own way. Kids grow up and use their own language and have their own views. We just try to soften their views sometimes.
Have a fab weekend! x
Categorising, labelling or attributing 'blame' to women for the way they dress is merely patriarchal propaganda. If you make a list of all the words which relate to women, invented by patriarchy to subjugate and control them - whore, slut, slattern etc.,- it will take you some time. When you try to do the same for men it will take you no time. There are no words. Manwhore is merely a modern invention to balance but it is not taken seriously.
The reason why women have been abused, oppressed and imprisoned by patriarchy for thousands of years is because men were jealous of the power women had as creaters and birthers and sustainers of life and their vulnerability as sexual beings in their presence. So they projected their own weakness, fear, powerlessness, rage onto women and divided them up into 'virgins' and 'whores.'
Sexuality in women is no different to sexuality in men and is a gift from God (or whatever you believe is at work in the world) to be enjoyed.
We don't need to invent words for men who are passionate about sexual experience - we just need to get rid of the words used against women who are passionate about sexual experience.
I've seen Glynis's book in various posts and Goodreads. Am now more intrigued than ever to read it. Getting inside the head of a villian? Totally intrigued.
This book sounds fascinating, and what a great dichotomy to turn on its head.
This may be a tangent, but one of the weirdest/saddest parts to me of this dichotomy is that it is often women labeling other women as sluts/whores. Not that all women have to get along simply because of shared gender... oh no, I'm getting way off track.
I think we do have to question words and how they're used. I'll stick to that for now. :0)
I enjoyed reading your thought provoking post. Interesting story about the love/hate aspect of the ripper, adds a new dimension to the tale.Everyone I think has some kind of dichotomy in their persona.
Great post on a topic that I think needs more discussion! I'm also totally interested in the book now.
Thanks! And also, it's nice to be back here again! :)
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